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#16: Re: My personal opinion regarding current theme structure... Author: run0,  PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 6:17 pm
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Kuragari wrote:
i'm pretty new at css but...

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td.row1,td.row2,td.row3 {
  background: #EFEFEF;
}

doesn't this make 3 classes with the same background?
why even have 3 of them

yes, but if you seperate them (I have done this on one of my sites) you can have different colors for every other post background in a thread, plus different colors on the forum index page for the "Forum" "Topics" "Posts" etc cells. So those should stay IMHO
#17: Re: My personal opinion regarding current theme structure... Author: t31os, Location: Somewhere in the intertubes... lolz PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 6:53 pm
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Yes, just that most people don't bother to vary the colours, but its not there for no reason, its still like from ages ago when it was more utilized. I think phpnuke still uses those.

I think the CSS needs a big re-think, but i'm still hesitent to say yeah lets just remove 30 classes and not worry about it.

Its severely limiting to only have like 10 or so classes.

I'd like to see one of xXx's themes once he's made one using one of these shaved down CSS files.
#18: Re: My personal opinion regarding current theme structure... Author: Kuragari, Location: AnimeEgo PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:10 pm
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when it comes right down to it, i think the fact remains that whether its 10 classes or 60 classes, they need to be standard, and documented

i'm sure the real problem is getting everyone to switch over to the new standardized system that is developed

i'm also kind of curious why non of the devs have said anything about this subject in any of the threads on this particular subject, they may not want to change the theme system
#19: Re: My personal opinion regarding current theme structure... Author: Mystic, Location: Spokane, WA USA PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:24 pm
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Changing the theme system is an ugly topic. Moving from CPG to DF killed the link to Autotheme and we lost our source to a lot of themes. The entire DF community has had theme envy ever since.

Changing things for the good would be nice, but I think it should also be done in such a way as to not bring us back to square one with our crrent themes.

Now, if you get all the theme designers on board with the change and they convert all of the available themes they have so that at the launch of the new system we don't lose any headway we have made so far, that would probably be alright.
#20: Re: My personal opinion regarding current theme structure... Author: t31os, Location: Somewhere in the intertubes... lolz PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:32 pm
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How about a target number we can all agree on, then we can move this topic toward a debate on which classes should stay or which you would you prefer to stay.

I think we all agree that it needs cutting down.

Personally i'd say 25, thats enough for customization and even adding your own classes will mean themes will run no slower then they already do.

My tf_b1u theme hits these speeds with its existing classes.

14.4K 37.11 seconds
28.8K 18.75 seconds
33.6K 16.13 seconds
56K 9.84 seconds
ISDN 128K 3.29 seconds
T1 1.44Mbps 0.65 seconds

I think thats good considering i'm running a CMS and i've still got 30 CSS classes.

Now according to www.websiteoptimization.com thats faster then this site is hitting using the same test, and i've always found this site to load fast.
#21: Re: My personal opinion regarding current theme structure... Author: Kuragari, Location: AnimeEgo PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:36 pm
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25-30 sounds like a good number to me, 25 being better than 30 Very Happy
#22: Re: My personal opinion regarding current theme structure... Author: xfsunoles, Location: Melbourne, Florida PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:42 pm
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my cpg-fsu theme

14.4K 28.21 seconds
28.8K 14.20 seconds
33.6K 12.20 seconds
56K 7.40 seconds
ISDN 128K 2.41 seconds
T1 1.44Mbps 0.39 seconds
#23: Re: My personal opinion regarding current theme structure... Author: Jamin, Location: New York PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:45 pm
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t31os wrote:
How about a target number we can all agree on, then we can move this topic toward a debate on which classes should stay or which you would you prefer to stay.

I think we all agree that it needs cutting down.

Personally i'd say 25, thats enough for customization and even adding your own classes will mean themes will run no slower then they already do.

My tf_b1u theme hits these speeds with its existing classes.

14.4K 37.11 seconds
28.8K 18.75 seconds
33.6K 16.13 seconds
56K 9.84 seconds
ISDN 128K 3.29 seconds
T1 1.44Mbps 0.65 seconds

I think thats good considering i'm running a CMS and i've still got 30 CSS classes.

Now according to www.websiteoptimization.com thats faster then this site is hitting using the same test, and i've always found this site to load fast.

You cant really compare the two because both sites are on different servers.

Try comparing your theme and the dragonfly theme both on the same site...
#24: Re: My personal opinion regarding current theme structure... Author: Kuragari, Location: AnimeEgo PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:50 pm
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Connection Rate Download Time
14.4K 66.90 seconds
28.8K 33.65 seconds
33.6K 28.90 seconds
56K 17.50 seconds
ISDN 128K 5.64 seconds
T1 1.44Mbps 0.85 seconds

my current speeds using what i thought was a fairly 'minimal' theme

however i do have the forum set as home, i'm sure that slows it down a little
#25: Re: My personal opinion regarding current theme structure... Author: Paris, Location: Southern California PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:36 pm
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OoOoOooOO all your ideas and stuff are great.. this theme designers group opening up was killer am sure between us all we can really redfine the direction of theming... I will be busy creating some posts so we can make some inital polls about the who what where when and how of this group.. very interesting and suprising inital response please check the forum for new posts today so we can all vote on how to get heard and get the ideas acutally into the cms itself.
#26: Re: My personal opinion regarding current theme structure... Author: xXxtreme, Location: Indiana and California PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 1:57 pm
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I am nearly finished with my final cut down theme.

I will have it completely finished and ready for viewing tonight.

Onward with the discussion:

Someone said something about this affecting current themes... It will not. We're merely discussion making a standardized, lighter style sheet.
#27: Re: My personal opinion regarding current theme structure... Author: t31os, Location: Somewhere in the intertubes... lolz PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 9:58 am
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Jamin wrote:
t31os wrote:
How about a target number we can all agree on, then we can move this topic toward a debate on which classes should stay or which you would you prefer to stay.

I think we all agree that it needs cutting down.

Personally i'd say 25, thats enough for customization and even adding your own classes will mean themes will run no slower then they already do.

My tf_b1u theme hits these speeds with its existing classes.

14.4K 37.11 seconds
28.8K 18.75 seconds
33.6K 16.13 seconds
56K 9.84 seconds
ISDN 128K 3.29 seconds
T1 1.44Mbps 0.65 seconds

I think thats good considering i'm running a CMS and i've still got 30 CSS classes.

Now according to www.websiteoptimization.com thats faster then this site is hitting using the same test, and i've always found this site to load fast.

You cant really compare the two because both sites are on different servers.

Try comparing your theme and the dragonfly theme both on the same site...

Yeah now compare which one is nicer to look at.......

My theme is not the best out there, but i easily prefer it to the DF theme and it loads at a great speed, i just wanted to use another fast loading theme that DOES look half decent next to it.
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