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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:17 am
Post subject: Installation trouble - Colorblind

I was able to install Dragonfly CMS, but with difficulty due to me being colorblind. When I got to the installation page about directories and write access, the color icons to describe if a page is writeable or not looks the same. This made it a little difficult for me. There are many of us that are colorblind. It would be nice to change this for others. Instead of using icons that are the same except for the color, it would be better if it just said, "writeable", "error - critical" "error - not critical" or something similar.
Relying on colors to pass information is not a good way to do something for the general public. I believe 10% of the male population has some form of colorblindness. Using only colors to pass information means that 10% of the population will not be able to determine what the information is.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:37 am
Post subject: Re: Installation trouble - Colorblind

That is a good point and i am not sure if people have thought on that one yet ? (I Might be wrong saying that)

But i must say that thinking along those lines and making a little effort something like this would also make good publicity on an International level i.e News Media and T.V as i have not heard of any cms doing something like that. Dragonfly would get very good press coverage, as the media are always looking for a good story.

just a thought from Tim cheers


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:58 am
Post subject: Re: Installation trouble - Colorblind

Will modify the installer so that each image has a title Wink
Or would a cross, circle and check also work ?


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 3:58 am
Post subject: Re: Installation trouble - Colorblind

what about alt tags?

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 4:07 am
Post subject: Re: Installation trouble - Colorblind

ohh and just some cool info..this would look good on dragonfly Smile

Also, alt tags are cashed in searches, so using them is also a bonus. Alt tags can be included for text links. this doubles your "link keyword density" and can improves search rankings, if this was used on the whole of the site.

Checklist of Checkpoints for Web Content Accessibility Guidelines 1.0


refer to:
Priority 1 checkpoints.

www.w3.org/TR/1999/WAI...-checklist

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 5:58 am
Post subject: Re: Installation trouble - Colorblind

DJMaze wrote:
Will modify the installer so that each image has a title Wink
Or would a cross, circle and check also work ?
That would be fine also, anything that is easily recognized as different other than color.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 6:03 am
Post subject: Re: Installation trouble - Colorblind

R3dRuM wrote:
what about alt tags?
Alt tags would not be good, a title tag would be fine. Since W3C compliant browsers won't show the alt tag information. For example, Firefox does not show this unless you install an extension. Also, I think it should be easily recognized, people shouldn't have to hover over the image to see if the directory is writable. I like the cross, circle and check idea the most.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 9:48 am
Post subject: Re: Installation trouble - Colorblind

[quote="SweetLou"]Alt tags would not be good, a title tag would be fine. Since W3C compliant browsers won't show the alt tag information. For example, Firefox does not show this unless you install an extension.[quote]

Alt tags are the w3c standard. Firefox sure does come with the use of alt tags! Whistling

I dont like hovering either... but it works for the people who need it to. MS agents read these tags aloud.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 10:29 am
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Actually, I believe that Firefox handles the alt tags correctly and IE does not. The alt tag is there to provide a text alternative to the image where the image can not be displayed (it is missing) or is not required (text only browser or tag reader for blind users). It should be displayed on the screen instead of the image. This is what happens in Firefox. alt tags are not supposed to display the text on hover. This is the purpose of the title tag.

In IE the implementation of the alt tag is the same as the title tag in that it displays the text of the alt tag on hover and does not display this text if the image is missing. This is incorrect.

Each of the images in the install should have an alt and be of a different shape for disabled users. In addition, the title tag could be used to give the same or similar information as the alt tag, however only the alt tag is required for W3C.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 10:42 am
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Yup, that is correct, the alt tag is there for when the image is not displayed. IE will use it as a tooltip if the the title tag is missing. If the title tag is there, then IE will use the title tag. I don't have a mac, but I hear that safari is the most w3c compliant browser, so I assume it also uses the alt tag correctly, but I could be wrong since I don't have a mac.
Firefox does use the alt tags, but it uses it according to the w3c. It will display it when the image is not shown.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 11:56 pm
Post subject: Re: Installation trouble - Colorblind

I got it in one eye, believe it or not. I see both numbers on those tests for certain colors. Had to cheat to get into the navy. Although I did not have a problem on install, TY for attending to this matter.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:13 am
Post subject: Re: Installation trouble - Colorblind

well what about people with no figers or people that only see blurry? what do you plan to do for them?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 2:30 am
Post subject: Re: Installation trouble - Colorblind

MrPotatoes wrote:
well what about people with no figers or people that only see blurry? what do you plan to do for them?

Wink

Due to the complexity it is not 100% possible to do this in Dragonfly.

MOO CMS, the current draft, is my superior successor to Dragonfly. It will NEVER replace Dragonfly but it is aimed to be all W3C, ISO and US Section 508 compliancies.
This will allow anyone, handicapped or not, to visit a website in many ways from plain text to xhtml to xml+xslt to braille.

I'm working on the PHP 5 core for a year now and it still gets revamped monthly to overcome newly found issues. This system is NOT for the average noob, it needs high skilled programmers and webmasters who know their way around in multi-level managements.


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