Theme Link Change on DF Homepage?

[BrokenCrust]

Why does the Dragonfly CMS Community section on the homepage list Dragonflied as a place to get themes? The site doesn't have any themes nor really offer any support for them.

Why don't you change it to another site that has a bunch of themes, offers theme development, free training and has a thriving theme’n community for DF?

In short, why not change it to Treasure Coast Designs.

DJ Devon works harder than anyone else not only developing themes but supporting themers and amateurs like. He deserves to be highlighted as "The place to go" for themes and theme support for DF. Way more than a site with no themes.

[WebSiteGuru]

The reason being that it's bear the name [Dragonflied]. The site supposed to be supporting both Theme and Gallery 2 Integration. And Kristin in the past was supporting themes. She is part of the Design Team, in fact she is the Team Leader. She has not been pushing out theme lately, I dont know the reason why. I also have not seen her around either.

I understand you fully. Treasure Coast Designs (DJDevon3) is one of the most active Themer here at this site. I wouldnt mind see his site on the list at the main page. But still that will be up to the site admins to decide.

[Slammer]

A TCD link is a no-brainer. He is the best.

Slammer

[djdevon3]

Woah. That's very nice of everyone. I wouldn't mind the link or not. Doesn't matter to me either way. I mean, afterall, I was the one trying to get some Dragonfly shirts on the market and have an official affiliation to provide the gear...yet there is no link anywhere for that even after repeated requests to get one of those affiliated "x-links". Wouldn't hold my breath when it comes to requesting anything on this site and actually I don't even care anymore. I'm pretty close to leaving Dragonfly for good. There was never one Dragonfly shirt sold. I contribute that to the admins here not caring if it sold or not. Akamu was "very excited" about the prospect of having Dragonfly shirts available. So excited that he nor anyone else on this staff helped to promote it. All it would have taken was a simple link somewhere. They've wasted my time and effort in many many respects. So I'm not even sure if I want to be affiliated with theme not the other way around.

[Dizfunkshunal]

DragonFlied is a good site. Kristen will do what she can when she can. You know not everyone can sit on the computer all day everyday. most of us have familys to support and real problems to take care of. We have more important priorities than createing a theme or telling someone else how to. when she is able to she will be back on helping and createing new themes.
as for the t shirts? where would the net profit they generate go to? I can afford toget on here a little bit every night and help where i can. Not everyone can.

[BrokenCrust]

@djdevon3
I sorry that you feel that way (wow I'm saying that a lot lately). I never even heard of a tee shirt. I figured you for a diehard DF dude. If people as committed as you are, are thinking of going then I expect the end is close.

Personally I expect very little here. It's like an old boys club for a school I didn't attend. What is it that they want to happen? If they want to move on they should put the site up for sale and move on. No need to hang around and dis everyone.

Giving you a link, costs nothing and is a nice thing to do to acknowledge your hard work. It isn't controversial and would boast moral. It might even be the catalyst for change.


@Dizfunkshunal
Dragonflied, has an excellent theme, it may even provide support for G2, however as a place to go for themes and theme help it is rubbish. It doesn't have, nor has ever had, 1 single theme for download nor does Kristen really provide support for themes there (or here anymore).

[djdevon3]

Thanks for the nice gesture everyone. That means more to me then any link could.

[Dizfunkshunal]

Kristen obviously has things she needs to take care of. when she can she will be back on. you know if you dont like the way things are done around here and on other df related sites. No one is twisting your arm makeing you stay, theres that little X button at the top of your browser window.

I do agree that djdevon3, is very good at what he does and has spent alot of time and skill into themes and this community. I know i apreciate every thing he does and has done in the past. I am not sure why a link to his site has not been put on this site. I am sure there are reasons why theres not a link here to TCD.

[Kristin]

To BrokenCrust:

The link on the front page of this site used to point to CPG Themes which DID have themes. However, as time progressed the name cpgthemes was attracting people looking for just Coppermine (CPG) themes which is not what I do. I decided to drop the name/domain and go with Dragonflied because in my opinion it better related to Dragonfly CMS.

I don't normally plaster my life on the forums. However, I would like to see you deal with living thru Hurricane Katrina, moving to a new home, getting a new job, having relatives die, and a sister-in-law and her three children move into your house because she's getting a divorce and then tell me you have a TON of extra time to just sit at the computer and make themes for people like you who would rather trash me than do something on your own.

Now I'm probably the least harsh "forum {expletive removed}" there is, but this is just a blatant attempt at getting people upset. If you wanted to get to Devon's themes you could easily do so by going to the link to DFAddon's, which if I am not mistaken Devon lends support there as well not only on TCD. In addtion to the fact that he requested himself to have his themes removed from this website so he could promote DFAddons.

I personally would like to see all the links removed from the front page of this site. The majority are run or at least have staff members that feel it necessary to bash Dragonfly, its management, developers, moderators, and members. Why should this site promote them?

[SaintPeter]

Kristin -
With all due respect to you and what you've been though, I'm not sure how that is relevent to the OP's issue.

One of the first times I came on this site, I was looking for themes, to see if there was anything that I could adapt for my own site. I followed the link to Dragonflied expecting to find a cornucopia of themes. Instead I found almost none.

Regardless of the reasons for that being the case, it reflects poorly on this site, and on Dragonfly itself when the site featured as having many themes doesn't have any. Unless Dragonflied.com is going to suddenly have a lot more activity (which sounds unlikely, based on your comments), it would make sense to point the link to a site that is more active in themeing.

I seriously doubt that anyone here, least of all myself, is being critical of you for not being able to keep up with Dragonflied. As a webmaster and web programmer for a thousand member gaming community, I completely understand the difficulty of maintaining a Real Life/Web balance. Forget about hurricanes, just trying to do this stuff between my normal job and keeping my wife happy can take up all my 'free' time.

That said, if you really don't think you're going to have much more time to maintain the site, you should be willing to step up and say so, so appropriate action can be taken. I happen to agree with the OP that a site like Treasure Coast would make a good link - My new theme is based on one of their excellent designs.

(BTW, I am using your nifty g2dragonfly module, which works great! <3 Kristin)

[Kristin]

SaintPeter, with respect to you as well and to anyone else reading, I am not against the removal of the link to Dragonflied, nor am I against the addition of a link to any other site. I do question some of the links currently displayed as I stated previously.

As to my personal issues, please know that just because all the MEMBERS of this site don't know my personal issues limiting my time at the computer, it does not mean that the MANAGEMENT here is not informed.

Again, please keep in mind that Devon himself asked for his themes to be removed from THIS SITE in an effort to promote DFAddons. DFAddons is linked from the front page. If Devon wanted a link to TCD, I'm sure he just needed to ask. However it was not Devon that brought this up, so I am not sure if he wants to promote his themes at TCD or at DFAddons.

Then again, if an OWNER of a website wants a link to their theme site, they only need ask. How about send me a PM so the post is not lost in the forum shuffle. No polls, no bashing of anyone, just simply ask. Provided that the themes for download meet Dragonfly theme standards (W3C Standards, XHTML, CSS, etc) I am sure it would be added. The same could be said for modules.


As an aside, I REFUSE to allow someone to use me as his attempt to stir everyone up yet again. We have TOO MANY people here lately trying to stir people up, declare Dragonfly dead, get them upset and/or have them head to other sites. Most of the people doing the stirring are those that have had a run in (or several) with one or more of the forum admins. So perhaps this is their attempt at being vendictive. I personally do not know.

I can say that those people should be happy that I am NOT one of the lead managers here, I would have started banning them long ago for their actions against Staff members. I have sat quietly, and I have watched a lot go on both in front and behind the scenes, but enough is enough people. If you don't want to be here, no one is forcing you to stay.

[SaintPeter]

Kristin wrote:

As an aside, I REFUSE to allow someone to use me as his attempt to stir everyone up yet again. We have TOO MANY people here lately trying to stir people up, declare Dragonfly dead, get them upset and/or have them head to other sites. Most of the people doing the stirring are those that have had a run in (or several) with one or more of the forum admins. So perhaps this is their attempt at being vendictive. I personally do not know.

While it very well may be true that there are people, possibly even those participating in this thread, who are trying to 'stir things up', I am at a loss to see how this particular thread could be seen as part of that.

I went back and re-read this thread, twice. I didn't see a single statement that could be construed as an attack on Dragonfly or you in particular.

I just see a not unreasonable request that the admins of this site revisit the decision to link to Dragonflied as a primary Theme site, based on the amount of content there. What I have not seen is anyone who appears to be responsible for the site stepping up to answer.

If you're going to have a forum marked 'This Site' which solicits feedback about the website, you should not be shocked when someone gives it, nor get defensive about the rationale.

Gotta say, though - coming from the mad bad world of phpNuke, what y'all have here is head and shoulders above what they have. At least I can visit this site without a deluge of pop-up porn ads and malware solicitation. Oh, and hey, I don't have to pay $10 to get the latest version of the site. Gotta love Dragonfly.

[djdevon3]

Wow brokencrust didn't you have a debugger rank yesterday? Kristin I have nothing but good things to say about you and your site. I realize what you've been through as I go through it on a continual basis including the deaths. I don't put that out in the public light though because that is no one's business but my own. If I'm not around then I'm not around, I don't need to explain myself to anyone other than my clients and neither should you. No one is questioning your skills or loyalty. I'm not going to put words in other people's mouths though I can only speak for myself.

All of this is a mute point though. It's turning into yet another thread that started off with valid meaning and has shifted gears into something else. I think everyone is missing the point here.

[Kristin]

I understand what is being said, and perhaps I read a little beyond what was typed. Chalk it up to PMS, being a woman, or just plain and simple I'm tired of seeing a lot of the crap that has been going on here (and elsewhere) and I just took my frustrations out into public view.

As to the original request. I understand what is being asked, though I cannot update the front page, I would personally ask for an update based on the site owner sending me a personal message and that the themes met Dragonfly theme standards as stated above.

[BrokenCrust]

Kristin,

I sorry that you've had such a bad time and I hope that you life improves. This was nothing personal. It was a) to question why the promoted theme site has no themes and b) to see about changing it to one that does. Period. I don't agree with the way these forums are administered, but that has nothing to do with this. Dragonfied had no themes. I'm sorry but that's the fact. So why go send people there for themes?

Actually I agree about possibly removing all the links (and maybe) having a more constructive page in the wiki listing all resources by type.

I am not trying to stir up bad feeling. It's way too late for me to do anything here to further that cause. A seriously large amount of people are leaving DF sometimes loudly, sometimes not. That is a different issue, but kinda related. Times change, people move on or are unable to continue to be involved, but DF (unlike most other open source projects) does nothing about this. A community project shouldn’t wait on the whims of owners and management, but be driven by the activeness of its members. No?

Yes I did have a Debugger tag, but I wasn't in the group. I got this tag when I was a Dev but it wasn't removed after I left. I guess questioning a bad link means someone decided to remove me from a group I wasn't in. Anyway the tag isn’t the important bit for me. I'll post help when I can (until I'm banned).

The vote wasn't supposed to dis you (although I can see that it could look that way - sorry) it was supposed to promote TCD and its work. Surely promoting the best most active support sites makes sense? and also changing them from time to time when they aren't anymore?

It's funny that here everyone’s takes a post as a personal attack until proven otherwise. Weird. Dis'n me means nothing.