DJ Maze wrote:

Looks like IE7 is bad again. I can't provide the answer right now because i threw Vista out of the window and buying myself a MacBook instead. But what i knew from the only time Vista did work, is that the new crappy kernel and IE7 did many requests to microsoft proxy servers before actualy going to a website. That might be the issue. If this only happens with people that use IE7 you should advise them to use a real browser like Firefox. And.. Sorry, no. I will not be able to ever upgrade to a version of IE which is higher numbered then 6.

DJ... much respect, but as always, I have to disagree with you. If that's the case (and in such, the development of dragonfly coincides with your beliefs) then you're playing a numbers game and dragonfly, the admins, and the users, will lose. Game Over.


www.w3schools.com/brow..._stats.asp

2007 IE7 IE6 IE5 Fx Moz S O
May 19.2% 38.1% 1.5% 33.7% 1.3% 1.5% 1.6%
April 19.1% 38.4% 1.7% 32.9% 1.3% 1.7% 1.6%
March 18.0% 38.7% 2.0% 31.8% 1.3% 1.7% 1.6%
February 16.4% 39.8% 2.5% 31.2% 1.4% 1.7% 1.5%
January 13.3% 42.3% 3.0% 31.0% 1.5% 1.7% 1.5%

2006 IE7 IE6 IE5 Fx Moz N7/8 O
December 10.7% 45.3% 3.4% 30.3% 2.6% 0.2% 1.5%
November 7.1% 49.9% 3.6% 29.9% 2.5% 0.2% 1.5%
October 3.1% 54.5% 3.8% 28.8% 2.4% 0.3% 1.4%
September 2.5% 55.6% 4.0% 27.3% 2.3% 0.4% 1.6%
August 2.0% 56.2% 4.1% 27.1% 2.3% 0.3% 1.6%
July 1.9% 56.3% 4.2% 25.5% 2.3% 0.4% 1.4%
June 1.6% 58.2% 4.3% 24.9% 2.2% 0.3% 1.4%
May 1.1% 57.4% 4.5% 25.7% 2.3% 0.3% 1.5%
April 0.7% 58.0% 5.0% 25.2% 2.5% 0.4% 1.5%
March 0.6% 58.8% 5.3% 24.5% 2.4% 0.5% 1.5%
February 0.5% 59.5% 5.7% 25.1% 2.9% 0.4% 1.5%
January 0.2% 60.3% 5.5% 25.0% 3.1% 0.5% 1.6%


Basically Today,

IE7 - 19% of traffic and rising fast
IE6 - 38% of traffic
IE Total - 57% of traffic
Firefox - 33%

While, that's amazing that firefox has that much (great thing), it just doesn't make sense to eliminate compatibility for something that ultimately has the biggest OS/Browser pentetration. And I can tell you, that if you work in a huge coorporation (like I do), or the government, etc and so on, then you might not HAVE a choice in what browser you choose.

It is never a wise decision to write a web app based soley on what you think users should use, you should write a web app the works regardless of what browser users use. Granted, sometimes that means writing stupid work-a-rounds for specific use-cases/browsers.

Anyway, I hear this argument all the time from developers, but that's why developers rarely understand what the end user wants/needs. Particularlly in OSS, the developers only create an app to meet their needs and use-cases, and I understand why, but it just isn't the way applications should be written.

P.S. I, too, had to disable the flood protection for my site:

dragonflycms.org/Forum...18074.html

looks like fire fox is rising faster then IE

Doesn't matter... I wouldn't want developers to develop entirely for any browser, or for them to say that any of the top 5 shouldn't be used because of incompatibilities. That's just foolish and silly.