SMF, IPB or any other forums instead of phpBB? :: Archived

DssTrainer · Silver Supporter Offline Joined: Feb 15, 2005 Posts: 108

as Phpbb2.2 has been rumored for far too long, would the suggestion of using another forum like SMF be possible? PHPBB seems to be a thorn in the side of technology and is quite dated feeling compared to the super functionality of dragonfly. Its more on par with fancy dhtml/jscript features as seen in VB3 and IPB2.x. But since those aren't free and SMF is free and quite more developed as far as features go. I cannot yet say anything about the security but perhaps its time to move on past the ghost of phpbb2.2.

NEMINI · Diamond Supporter Offline Joined: Apr 22, 2004 Posts: 4551

SMF is not open source. If you do a search for smf you will find a lot of posts on it from me.

DJ Maze

We had this discussion before but i can't find it in the search for 9.x (probably a 8.x thread)

Either way a search for phpBB will not help you either due to to much posts about phpBB.

So lets make this sticky and give the answer

Are we going to upgrade phpBB ?
No, and there are 1001 reasons why we don't.
Also we don't have phpBB anymore, it's called CPG-BB since the phpBB code is drasticaly changed and not compatible anymore.

Do we want other Bulletin Boards ?
No we don't, but maybe you do instead CPG-BB.
Go ahead and port/modify the SMF code yourself or manage a team who wants to do it.
Don't ask us to do it cos we do other stuff, however you may ask us for help.

Can you release your Bulletin Boards port ?
Yes you may and we even provide a download on this site if required.
However if a BB has a different license that doesn't allow distributing of a modified version then we don't provide the download.
Instead we could host the instructions that are needed to integrate the given BB.

DssTrainer · Silver Supporter Offline Joined: Feb 15, 2005 Posts: 108

maybe not Open Source in the Literal sense but

Quote::

Permission is hereby granted to use, copy, modify and/or distribute this
Package, provided that:
a. All copyright notices within source files and as generated by the
Software as output are retained, unchanged.
b. Any Distribution of this Package, whether as a Modified Package or
not, includes this file and is released under the terms of this Agreement.
This clause is not dependent upon any measure of changes made to this
Package.
c. This Package, Modified Packages, and derivative works may not be
sold or released under any paid license. Copying fees for the transport of
this Package, support fees for installation or other services, and hosting
fees for hosting the Software may, however, be imposed.
d. Any Distribution of this Package, whether as a Modified Package
or not, requires express written consent from Lewis Media.

2. You may make Modifications to this Package or a derivative of it, and
distribute your Modifications in a form that is separate from the Package,
such as patches.

From their license, its fully moddable and allowed to be included.
And ya, there are no SMF posts in 9.x, i never think to check 8.x.

NEMINI · Diamond Supporter Offline Joined: Apr 22, 2004 Posts: 4551

hmm ...

Quote::

Permission is hereby granted to use, copy, modify and/or distribute this
Package, provided that:

but ...

Quote::

d. Any Distribution of this Package, whether as a Modified Package
or not, requires express written consent from Lewis Media.

So you have permission as long as you get written persmission??? How much sense does that make?

Rayvenhaus

It just means that you need to get permission to distribute the package. Since it's SMF, wouldn't one need to get permission to port it? And thereby, also asking for permission to distribute it?

I see no problems with it at all.

DssTrainer · Silver Supporter Offline Joined: Feb 15, 2005 Posts: 108

lol shush

xfsunoles

its always a catch in license part. it said you need permission from author to port it.

DssTrainer · Silver Supporter Offline Joined: Feb 15, 2005 Posts: 108

no need to be afraid to ask the author. Its worthy as is DFly

TheElf

DssTrainer wrote:

no need to be afraid to ask the author. Its worthy as is DFly

Wrong, for several reasons. DragonflyCMS should use GPL licence, since it uses code from other products distributed under GPL, right? If it would include SMF it would have to use SMF licence... Using both at once wouldn't work.

DssTrainer · Silver Supporter Offline Joined: Feb 15, 2005 Posts: 108

TheElf wrote:

DssTrainer wrote:

no need to be afraid to ask the author. Its worthy as is DFly

Wrong, for several reasons. DragonflyCMS should use GPL licence, since it uses code from other products distributed under GPL, right? If it would include SMF it would have to use SMF licence... Using both at once wouldn't work.

well smf should stop being retarted and go GPL. Smile

all the same its all crap.. am open sourse license like GPL and smf's is only as good as the morals of the person using it Razz

So long as they are not selling it. lucky i keep my morals locked in a drawer.

Anyway, i think it would beneficial for dfly to make ports available for dfly to allow the user to easily incorporate all the diff popular forums.. not necessarily the main guys, but for someone to do it would make Dfly more popular as cpgbb is the main killer for those who want to keep their vb and ipb boards with Dfly. any takers?

DJ Maze

Dragonfly CMS allows add-ons with a license other then GPL if they are released as themselves WITHOUT modified Dragonfly files.

This is stated in the index.php and documentation
dragonflycms.org/cvs/h...?v=9.19#16

It is also mentioned by the GNU GPL FAQ

DssTrainer · Silver Supporter Offline Joined: Feb 15, 2005 Posts: 108

i know.. thats what im saying.

Thefix

I think the direction that the CPG-NUKE Dragonfly team takes with the use of CPG-BB is one that takes security as the most important concern in a BB. Check out the other CMS systems out there, its hard to compare with Dragonfly.

DssTrainer · Silver Supporter Offline Joined: Feb 15, 2005 Posts: 108

Thefix wrote:

I think the direction that the CPG-NUKE Dragonfly team takes with the use of CPG-BB is one that takes security as the most important concern in a BB. Check out the other CMS systems out there, its hard to compare with Dragonfly.

yes but people are more worried about features than security. This isn't about CMS its about the forum. PhpBB Security has been patched over and over, but people like functionality, and cpgbb is just as Un-functional as phpbb, secure or not. I agree security is important, but that has nothing to do with spending too much time on a bb that was already unsecure to begin with, hence the patches from phpbb 2.0.4 - 2.0.15. There was a high patching era where every month a new patch came out. A program as feature rich and nuke and cpg/dragonfly deserves the best of the best of the free stuff. smf is the best feature rich free one that I know, regardless of the licensing hoops, they could use the publicity that dragonfly could bring, as they are nowhere near as popular as ipb, vb, or phpbb.