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Why we hate IEThere are a lot of questions why we don't use Internet Explorer and actualy hate the damn thing. To give some more specific details why click on read more for full details. PNG and JPEG2000 are image formats with better compression and cool features. IE doesn't support those and for full info about that read here Tabbed browsing, popup blockers, security, etc. are very essential these days due to all ads and malicious websites. IE doesn't have that build in so you need to buy additional software to prevent it. A full list of "can't do" (for example Mozilla vs IE) can be found here Then about Direct-X and Active-X, it's nice you can use those in IE so you update your Windows OS with ease, but.. other people can abuse it by installing malicious software on your computer. Generating a webpage costs the average IE browser about 75% more time and CPU then a other browser. IE doesn't fully support CSS and XHTML which are the new standards to build a webpage. When your OS boots IE is already loaded in memory which causes a more unstable system and can give you more "blue screens of death" If you're convinced already Click here how to remove IE If not, you probably don't wanna learn how a new browser works or just love IE. No hard feelings for that, but don't ask why something doesn't work or looks ugly in IE Posted by DJMaze Saturday, August 21, 2004 (16:00:30)
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where did you get your information about IE?by masterbeta on Saturday, August 21, 2004 (17:25:59) (User Info | Send a Message) no offense, but it's like choosing between ford and chevy... you don't need tp-software to remove pop-up blocking? IE has built in tools that most people ignore, such as the security features you can customize to allow/deny pop-ups or other active-x/java controls...for instance, the website phpnuke.org has a lot of pop-up ads now, and i was so tired of this so i added their site to my IE's security section to deny active-x/java controls, and NO pop-ups or advertising anymore...:) IE is more user-friendly in my opinion because even if you don't have knowledge on security features/protocols, you can set it pre-config'ed as "high" "medium" "low" or even "custom" which is quite nice... i wouldn't bust on IE simply because some people can't use it...and IE is not pre-loaded when windows starts, "explorer" is - which isn't even the web-browser...it's the name of the desktop/gui such as linux's gui is called 'xfree86' or whatever... plus, old versions of IE aren't able to display certain things because the technology didn't exist - xhtml, css, png, etc...old mozilla/netscape browsers didn't support this either (no old browsers did) - IE 5.1 and UP does....IE 5.0 and lower does not....but who uses those anymore? who uses windows 3.1 anymore? hehehe anyways, i wasn't impressed with this article because it was more of a stab and a very opinionated versus actual facts - if people don't know, they'll believe anything i recommend doing some of your own research people at microsoft's website, and on netscape's website, and on kde's website for different browsers and what they can do... anyone remember neoplanet webbrowser?? : ) it was way ahead of it's time...but again, IE was it's base : ) did you also know IE's technology is "borrowed" ? hehe so i think IE6 is the last version before microsoft has to come up with something new...
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Hello,by genoxide on Saturday, August 21, 2004 (18:35:14) (User Info | Send a Message) I can't understand the reason many 'hate' IE, we (almost) all started from IE and most of us still using it. I'm still using a browser that is using the core of IE, it's called Maxthon (www.maxthon.com) and it has tabbed browsing, option to deny javascript/java/images/sounds etc. For sure IE has a LOT of bugs but if you think the % of people using IE you can see the reason. For sure other browsers have flaws but because they are not so popular like IE we don't hear most of them. We can't go against IE since most of the people on the net is using it, we can't build sites than don't work with IE, it's like net-suicide for our site if we do. I used Firefox 2 for a while but since i learned about Maxthon i don't go on the net without it 
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i use Firefox since it got a Tab browser that something IE didn't have. IE not fully support PNG, and it have a lack of support in Web new strandard. IE use Mozilla 4.0 code but lastest Mozilla Product already in Mozilla 5.0. why i know about that, since JavaScript have a codename properties. it show IE used Mozilla. by xfsunoles on Saturday, August 21, 2004 (21:42:57) (User Info | Send a Message)
The reality is that IE doesn't have to conform to standards, IE is the standard. I use IE, not because I think it's best out there, but because I know that when I create pages and browse sites that I create that if they don't work in IE then over 90% of everyone else isn't going to be able to view them either. No support for JPEG 2000? Then we can't use it, simple. Yeah, it's sad, but other than the 3 minutes posting this, I tend to spend time over fixing things I can control since there's no realistic way of controlling this.
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Amazing analysis, and strange conclusion:by olivierm on Sunday, August 22, 2004 (06:46:19) (User Info | Send a Message) CPG is meant to build sites to share information on the www. More than 80 % of internet users use MSIE. So any CMS has to adapt to that fact. And if CPG-nuke doesn't work or looks ugly in MSIE, it is CPG that should adapt. Because neither MSIE, neither the vast majority of people who use MSIE will adapt to CPG. If people who use CPG end up with sites that look ugly or don't work for the vast majority of their visitors, they will stop using it. It is so simple as that. And I would never go for a CMS that would upset a majority of my visitors because it is not adapted to their browser. This being said, I have never been confronted with CPG-problems linked to MSIE. But if such problems would appear, and if the policy of CPG would be not to take this into account, like you seems to state, I would immediately go back to a CMS that is fully compatible with MSIE. Because my aim is to make info available to the majority of the www users, and not to promote a CMS whose development would be based on doctrinal views.
IE is LOSING it's place as the standard today. It's using old code, and is not really bringing anything to the table. Mozilla (which is just Netscape gone open source) is going to de-throne Internet Explorer in the coming years (months maybe?), and we will have a new standard. Mozilla isn't anywhere near as static as Internet Explorer. That's a good thing. Tthe reason that Internet Explorer is so outdated is because for a long time it had no competition. When you have a product that has no competition, that product will suffer, and so will the end-user. I use Firefox all the time, and I view 95% of the web just fine. That's great coming from a browser that isn't even version 1.0 yet.
I will never all this fuss. If you dont like, dont use it. For me, it is the best and I mean the best browser around. Dont like popups, use Advanced Browser (uses IE technology). I have tried Mozilla, its a memory gobler, unstable, unfriendly to change. I have tried Firefox, but Advanced Browser is a lot lot better. 75% extra time?? - use broadband, even on a lowly 256k, it works fine, renders graphics better and things the way I expect them to be, not zigzaged or smaller in sizeas in Firefox. IE works, the others suck! - My simple conclusion, look at the size of an application and you can tell how secure it is. How many security updates do you get for Firefox and dont say there arnt any security flaws. Anything free doesnt mean it its great.
So true!  I've been using Mozilla for a few years not. Once Firefox 0.8 was released I switched to it. I'm now using 0.9.3 and still loving it. I do have about 5 "MUST HAVE" extensions though: - Tabbrowser Extensions - Web Developer - Go Up - Download With (normally use LeechGet for large files) - ieview (for those who use ASP and/or can't create a decent page that follows W3 standards!) For other sites that must use IE for one reason or another I use Crazy Browser which give me essential tabbed browsing features. Now go surf like a pro and get Firefox!
PNG and JPEG2000 are image formats with better compression and cool features. IE doesn't support those and for full info about that read here They may be nice, but their importance for the Internet is not really that high - it won't change your web experience. I'm pretty confident that they are coming sooner or later, it's just not top priority. But if you want, you can be happy to have a browser that supports them. Tabbed browsing, popup blockers, security, etc. are very essential these days due to all ads and malicious websites. IE doesn't have that build in so you need to buy additional software to prevent it. Tabs would be nice for power users, yes. But that's not enough reason for me to change. I even think meany non-CS users may find tabbed browsing more difficult than managing multiple windows. You may not believe it, but there are quite often large usability studies for those features. Do I have to tell you why this doesn't hold for Mozilla? As for popup blockers, well that has already been mentioned, it's coming just now with SP2. The reason why it took so long to push this forward is quite simple: Many pages will be affected in their operation, and some users may not be able to locate the problem. (You see, I'm taking other people's views into account too, something I would heaviliy recommend to you as well!) But the word "security"... what were you thinking when you put this there? There is no security in IE or what? o_O Sorry but you can't put such a big topic there without saying a further word on it. Then about Direct-X and Active-X, it's nice you can use those in IE so you update your Windows OS with ease, but.. other people can abuse it by installing malicious software on your computer. Well DirectX has nothing to do with IE, my guess is you just thought it sounded menacing. As for ActiveX, the main problem is that most people don't read prompts. They just click yes. Mozilla also has a feature that can be abused to install malicious software. It's called download. If the same people who always clicked "yes" in IE would used Mozilla, I'm sure they were also able to click "Run" or "Open". I'm sure if "ActiveX" was called just "plugin" like with Netscape, there wouldn't be half as much discussion. Generating a webpage costs the average IE browser about 75% more time and CPU then a other browser. OK I did not do large-scale performance tests, but I often use several browsers in parallel, and I never noticed a difference worth mentioning. The caching may be a bit slower because they use disk more than RAM, but this is merely an issue for offline browing. IE doesn't fully support CSS and XHTML which are the new standards to build a webpage. "Not fully"... that's splitting hairs. It could be much worse! And IE 6 has had many improvements concerning standards compatibility. Anyways, in practice standards in the Internet are not enforced by a consortium, but evolve with applications. Do you known how many standards have been proposed and RFCs have been published which only few know about? XHTML may be a major thing, but that doesn't change how things work. Compared to that, application support is actually quite good. When your OS boots IE is already loaded in memory which causes a more unstable system and can give you more "blue screens of death" Of course, as with all core components, such as kernel, shell, file system driver, sound mixer etc.! Any of them can cause blue screens (drivers actually more, because IE is running in user space).
When my stats indicate the majority of my users are no longer using IE, then I would welcome a movement to another browser. I agree with your view to not have to use IE though DJ, isn't freedom a great thing?  Many people here have expressed their likes for several different browsers. Our goal should always be to write standard Internet code, whether html, xhtml, or whatever, that will work with any browser out there that adheres to the standards. Like it or not, IE is the defacto standard at the moment. We can only hope that its reign will end soon. I wouldn't count MicroSloth completely out yet, but it's sure a nice dream isn't it?
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We love to hate Microsoft by Moparmaniac on Thursday, September 01, 2005 (12:40:32) (User Info | Send a Message) Can Firefox handle this? Check this page in IE and FF Dont think so.......:roll: I like Firefox but 98% of my visitors are still using IE and it would be nice if the website was looking Ok in IE, aswell.
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by [ABR]hunk on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 (14:02:17) (User Info | Send a Message)  I feel the same way as you do, DJ Maze. IE is just not what people today needs.I was a Microsoft boy and loved IE (because I grew with Microsoft OS PCs) but once I got in High School, all that changed. This year I bought myself a Mac - A beautiful iBook G4 PowerPC. I feel in love with Mac OS X Safari internet browser and everything about it. Safari is like Mozilla FireFox. Back to the point, most of the Internet browser are becoming like Fx today. IE is staying behing. I hate the fact that some sites do not display good in EI and there are tons of other problems (as you mentioned) about EI. Get Mozilla FireFox for more security and faster browsing. It's just much easier!   |
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