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NukeScripts violates PHP-Nuke GPL licensing |
 Rodamon writes "Some days ago, I've downloaded some scripts from the site NukeScripts. This scripts are intended to run with PHP-Nuke, only can run together with it, link to PHP-Nuke libraries, and in some cases use code from PHP-Nuke.
So, because PHP-Nuke is free software released under the GNU/GPL license, this derivated work from Nukescripts must also be released under the GNU/GPL license
My surprise was when I opened the license file included with some downloaded modules (from NukeScripts at http://www.nukescripts.net). I was really fustrated to see that their license is not GNU/GPL and clearly violates the GNU/GPL license.
Really was surpised that their license says: "source code may be modified at the user's risk, but the software (altered or otherwise) may NOT be distributed to other entities without the explicit written permission of NukeScripts Network".
So, I decided to write to the Free Software Foundation, about this licensing issue, and to be sure they are clearly in a GPL violation.
The answer from the FSF could not be more direct and clear:
They are in fact violating the GPL. Since we're not the copyright holder of PHP-Nuke, we can't do anything about this. Please write to the copyright holder of PHP-Nuke, and let him know about the problem. If he needs advice, please let him know that we are glad to provide it.
Here is an example how people gets GPL software, use it, and then release the derivated work in other licensing models not compatible with GNU/GPL."
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Re: NukeScripts violates PHP-Nuke GPL licensing (Score: 1)
by nukelite on Thursday, October 21 @ 11:17:31 VET
(User Info | Send a Message) http://phpnuke.org | That's right. Any derivate work (this means any PHP-Nuke's fork) should be GPL licensed.
Any code fragment that requires PHP-Nuke to properly runs, is by default licensed under GPL, point.
I think that the way to fight this violations of the GPL licensed (very defended but very badly understood) is to let people/users know what are their rights with the free software. If you download a module, theme, block, addon, fork, etc for PHP-Nuke and it includes any other license but the GPL, just repack it, remove the license and add to the file the GPL license and redistribute it as you wish following the GPL rules for this. By this way, we can fight infractors and abusers.
Starting a legal action isn't the priority due to many factors, but fixing the problem by the users side could be a great support to the free software products. |
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Re: NukeScripts violates PHP-Nuke GPL licensing (Score: 1)
by gcfmaf on Thursday, October 21 @ 12:20:52 VET
(User Info | Send a Message) http://ravenphpscripts.com | | That is true if, and only if, you are redistributing phpnuke and your scripts at the same time. According to the Foundation's own FAQ, you can release
your own scripts with whatever license you want and people can choose to use them or not. NukeScript's individual scripts are not violating anything. |
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Re: NukeScripts violates PHP-Nuke GPL licensing (Score: 1)
by Guardian2003 on Thursday, October 21 @ 14:08:21 VET
(User Info | Send a Message) | Besides,
php-nuke would be nothing without the continued support of developers who dedicate their time to increasing the functionality of php-nuke and of coure security fixes. |
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Re: NukeScripts violates PHP-Nuke GPL licensing (Score: 1)
by satmaster on Thursday, October 21 @ 14:36:21 VET
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.winnfreenet.com | If you change the copyright notice on anything and redistribute it you would be in violation of US copyright law.
Module writers are free to place any copyright notice on work they create.
They are also allowed to redistribute GPL works as long as they include the orginal GPL notice. |
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Re: NukeScripts violates PHP-Nuke GPL licensing (Score: 1)
by FreeBees on Thursday, October 21 @ 12:21:37 VET
(User Info | Send a Message) | A module is no derivative work.
You may distribute the module SEPERATE in any license you want if the code in the module isn't copied from a GPL licensed file UNLESS your are the owner of that file and you have provided it for the work, then you are allowed to distribute and modify the license of the code.
Also: GPL code that has to be used to make it working in the overall application is allowed and doesn't affect your license.
This means things like $db->sql_qeury() and is_user($user) |
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Re: NukeScripts violates PHP-Nuke GPL licensing (Score: 1)
by gcfmaf on Thursday, October 21 @ 12:21:51 VET
(User Info | Send a Message) http://ravenphpscripts.com | | That is true if, and only if, you are redistributing phpnuke and your scripts at the same time. According to the FSF's own FAQ, you can release your own scripts with whatever license you want and people can choose to use them or not. NukeScript's individual scripts are not violating anything. |
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Re: NukeScripts violates PHP-Nuke GPL licensing (Score: 1)
by nukelite on Thursday, October 21 @ 13:30:49 VET
(User Info | Send a Message) http://phpnuke.org | Wrong. If a module, theme or block (or anything) for PHP-Nuke "REQUIRES" PHP-Nuke code to properly run, it MUST be licensed under GPL.
If a module runs as standalone you can license it with whatever you want because it doesn't uses/requires PHP-Nuke's code to run.
Why don't email to FSF and ask about this? This was a nice long discusion I had with Richard Stallman sometime ago. |
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Re: NukeScripts violates PHP-Nuke GPL licensing (Score: 1)
by gcfmaf on Thursday, October 21 @ 16:33:37 VET
(User Info | Send a Message) http://ravenphpscripts.com | | Well I have done just that. And I can promise you that I articulated the issue much clearer than you, er I mean rodamon, did. And please, do post the nice long discussion that you
and Rich had sometime ago. It would be very interesting for sure. When I get an answer I will post it. |
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Re: NukeScripts violates PHP-Nuke GPL licensing (Score: 1)
by spottedhog on Thursday, October 21 @ 13:13:39 VET
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.nukehelp.biz | Rodamon, using the logic in your original news posting, no one should be charging money for any module, block, OR theme. Using that logic, the thememakers who offer themes for sale are in violation since the theme must use the core of PHP Nuke. And if that particular theme had a phpbb forum, the thememaker/seller would also be in violation of PHPBB terms.
Still using that initial logic, why are there news postings here that sell themes, or modules or blocks? They MUST be in violation according to your posting. Notice the hypocracy here?
I think the interpretations as listed by others are more accurate.
It is sad that someone who is offering scripts to use free with conditions is chastized, while others who are SELLING scripts are allowed to do anything they wish. unreal....... |
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Re: NukeScripts violates PHP-Nuke GPL licensing (Score: 1)
by nukelite on Thursday, October 21 @ 13:31:40 VET
(User Info | Send a Message) http://phpnuke.org | Anyone can charge a fee to download a GPL software. What the license says is that you MUST distribute the source code in a similar way and you can't forbid that anyone re-distribute it for free.
Making money from a GPL'ed software is fine, but under the above rules, as specified on the GPL FAQ at gnu.org website, located here [www.gnu.org]. |
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Re: NukeScripts violates PHP-Nuke GPL licensing (Score: 1)
by spottedhog on Thursday, October 21 @ 18:22:50 VET
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.nukehelp.biz | hmmmm.... Please help me to understand.....
Royal Memberships has a news item that was approved after this original news article. If I "purchase" their package, I am only paying for downloading it? If so, that means I can pay for it then freely distribute it!
Do you seriously think Royal Memberships would allow that? And do you seriously believe their software package has a GPL attached to it????????
methinks you are mistaken and your hypocracy slip is showing.... |
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Re: NukeScripts violates PHP-Nuke GPL licensing (Score: 1)
by burnwave on Thursday, October 21 @ 15:28:54 VET
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.burnwave.com | Hahahahahahaha. This gets more hilarious/ridiculous everyday.
FB: Jesus Christ, you can't possibly be serious. Just stop. No wait, don't stop. Your idiocy is awesome, and I don't want you to continue making yourself look absolutely horrible. Seriously, continue on with your bad self.
Mr 'Rodamon': How about you post the exact letter/email you sent to FSF so we can see if your question was legit or not. Do you honestly think we are going to believe that you submitted a legit question to them explaining what is REALLY going on? I'm pretty certain you stretched the question a bit to something NSN isn't even doing.
Good game phpNuke community. This is exactly why the community has turned to absolute shit. Nobody has any freedom anymore. The supposed 'author' is losing his damn mind, rofl.
In all seriousness, read up on the GPL. But hey, I guess FB's the boss around here and knows GPL better than all of us. CPGNuke, and all other forks have to go back to GPL, and no module/block/theme can be under any other different license!!! |
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Re: NukeScripts violates PHP-Nuke GPL licensing (Score: 1)
by gplexpert on Thursday, October 21 @ 16:13:33 VET
(User Info | Send a Message) | Talking about vilations:
http://phpnuke.org/modules.php?name=Commercial_License
Offers to allow the removal of PHP-Nuke copyrights for work that FB himself woun't know how to code if it bit him on the ass.
http://www.nukeroyal.com/licence.php
Similar to the NSN License but a different site that uses NSN code in their scripts for sale so according to FB this will be okay because it abuses NSN's license.
PHP-Nuke is not free unless you get the patched package from one of the major sites (like NSN) which is why FB even bothered to post this article. Not to mention that anyone having downloaded Banner Clients from this has broken U.S. copyright law.
So long story short, FB is a FuckBard that steals from others while condeming anyone that does things cleaner and better then FuckBard ever could. |
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Re: NukeScripts violates PHP-Nuke GPL licensing (Score: 1)
by xero51 on Thursday, October 21 @ 17:55:08 VET
(User Info | Send a Message) | I had to remake an account since i don't remember the e-mail i used last time.
I was here when phpnuke was born, continue to visit the site when i get the time.
I didn't expect nothing more from FB, what's wrong this time? NSN getting more traffic from you?
As you remember PostNuke and many other forks were created by you holding back the creation of a great CMS. It's always your way or the 'illegal' way.
What is my point here? PHPNuke will be nothing without Bob, Cs and many other people. THEY are giving REAL support to the people who need it. YOU expect THEM to give support. YOU have closed the only way people could get support from you. YOU have closed the forums, giving a lame excuse that DDoS attack had put the forums down. When the forums were up i didn't saw you giving any help to anyone but expected other people to help, what's wrong FB? you don't know whats going on with 'your' code and want others to answer?
YOU are NOT the right 'man' to even talk about FREE softwares, YOU have made PHPNuke your personal bank. Look at all the advertisements, club, Commercial License. I don't even think that i am in the nuke's site rather to a very bad porn site. (put some nude pictures up?/more traffic)
Going against bob or any other person that made phpnuke what it is now is wrong, you are trying to make bob look bad like you did in the past with several people.
Remember why you started this project, remember the reason, look back into some of your first articles. You have violated the gpl many times. Example? http://phpnuke.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1833
So before slamming someone that helped your project think again.
An old 'Friend' |
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Re: NukeScripts violates PHP-Nuke GPL licensing (Score: 1)
by gcfmaf on Thursday, October 21 @ 19:26:19 VET
(User Info | Send a Message) http://ravenphpscripts.com | Here is the support FB promises. Quoted directly from this site in the Club area.
NOTE: Being a member doesn't give right to you to receive technical support. PHP-Nuke is distributed AS IS without warranty and without technical support. Any technical support email will be ignored. If what you want is just the latest PHP-Nuke release, you can get it from here (If you are Club's member or already purchased Club's membership, you can get any PHP-Nuke release for a whole year, you don't need to pay for each release to have it).
And then, this is what you get for $10. What a guy :lol: Notice how he continually refers to the cost of the system pay for the new version? If you think for one minute that FB isn't working the GPL license, get a grip people. It's ok for him to walk the edge, but no one else. What a joke!
Please note that there isn't any update/upgrade offer due to the very low cost of the system. If you purchase one version today and tomorrow I release another version and you want it, you must pay for the new version. Is the only way that PHP-Nuke can continue to evolve. Thanks for understanding.
Evolve? Evolve into what? There is no evolution. Who fixes FB's mistakes? Chat, Bob, Raven, and many others. FB doesn't learn from his own mistakes, he perpetuates them so that he can charge both today AND tomorrow. |
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Re: NukeScripts violates PHP-Nuke GPL licensing (Score: 1)
by bingiman on Thursday, October 21 @ 19:56:42 VET
(User Info | Send a Message) | Did anyone give FB shit when he was stealing code from Nukecops awhile ago? I agree with the comments from: gplexpert and burnwave 100%. FB. Why are you so fucking greedy. God damn man, get a grip of yourself and stop showing how stupid you are.
I wouldn't doubt if you shut the comments off now after viewing these. You know you're good at shutting things off when the shit gets too thick.
As for that other asshole Rodamon. What do you expect for this. Here's a tissue to wipe the shit on your nose. |
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