Miscellaneous ⇒ Search Engines ⇒ How to improve google image indexing? ⇒ Community Forums ⇒ CPG Dragonfly™ CMS
Forum IndexSearch Engines

How to improve google image indexing? Reply to topic


I visited this thread after searching for google image submission. I'd already identified the removal of /images from robots however the duplicate meta tags are definitely a 'google-nae-like' issue.

In time away from dragonfly I was working primarily on Joomla sites. There was a modification that allowed meta tags and title to be dynamically generated from content which I'll look at integrating into DF but not even started yet.

Has anyone got any suggestions for improvements for google image indexing? My competitors seem to be doing far better than me in getting their pics up there. Mine seem to be nowhere Sad

gerry @ redgerry.com
redgerry.com
clacks.co
123v.com
copseygroup.com

Server specs (Server OS / Apache / MySQL / PHP / DragonflyCMS):
Suse11.4 - LAMP on zypper - ISPConfig 3


On taking note of the literal image url from coppermine: 123v.com/modules/coppe...t_shed.jpg

Then surely the line Disallow: /modules/ is going to block google indexing the gallery images?

gerry @ redgerry.com
redgerry.com
clacks.co
123v.com
copseygroup.com

Server specs (Server OS / Apache / MySQL / PHP / DragonflyCMS):
Suse11.4 - LAMP on zypper - ISPConfig 3


RedGerry wrote

Has anyone got any suggestions for improvements for google image indexing? My competitors seem to be doing far better than me in getting their pics up there. Mine seem to be nowhere Sad



A quick look at the page source of the link to the image you have:

Just for starters

The Page Meta Tags could be Improved

The Image sorce code below Needs changing

<img width="230" height="173" src="http://123v.com/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/Carports/traditional_carport_against_shed.jpg" alt="http://123v.com/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/Carports/traditional_carport_against_shed.jpg" style="cursor: -moz-zoom-in">



Check out this link for some pointers
Img Tag and Image SEO

Their are some videos about SEO in wordpress that would probably help you

Server specs (Server OS / Apache / MySQL / PHP / DragonflyCMS):
PHP Version 7.0.6 + MariaDB + Dragonfly 9.4 Modified


In robots.txt do you still have:User-agent: Googlebot-Image Disallow: /

DonationsPro for DragonflyCMS & SMF

Server specs (Server OS / Apache / MySQL / PHP / DragonflyCMS):


Try enabling the option "Alts and title tags of thumbnail show title and keyword instead of picinfo" it may help you a bit.

Also consider using Google Image Sitemaps:

Here is a script to auto generate image sitemaps for coppermine,
but keep in mind it adds ALL approved pictures available in the DB to the sitemap,
you can restrict to certain picture owner, album, tweaking the SQL query (also see options)

The sitemap will look like this:

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> <urlset xmlns="http://www.sitemaps.org/schemas/sitemap/0.9" xmlns:image="http://www.google.com/schemas/sitemap-image/1.1"> <url> <loc>http://www.greenday2k.net/Fotos/displayimage/pid=7068.html</loc> <image:image> <image:loc>http://www.greenday2k.net/images/coppermine/albums/batch/91_gdfelishawhite2.jpg</image:loc> </image:image> <image:title>Image Title</image:title> <image:caption>Image Caption Image keywords</image:caption> </url> </urlset>

Submitting your sitemap improves your images indexing but doesn't add your images to the Google Image Labeler, so keep in mind the usage of ALT and title tags.
Attachment: coppermine_sitemap_generator.zip
Description seo coppermine sitemap xml
Filename coppermine_sitemap_generator.zip
Filesize 1.54 KiB
Downloaded 4 Time(s)
You are not allowed to view/download this attachment

www.greenday2k.net

Server specs (Server OS / Apache / MySQL / PHP / DragonflyCMS):


RedGerry wrote
In time away from dragonfly I was working primarily on Joomla sites. There was a modification that allowed meta tags and title to be dynamically generated from content which I'll look at integrating into DF but not even started yet.


As you use Pro_News you may not need to. Have you enabled DYN_META_TAGS (dynamic meta keyword tags) as originally provided by spacebar here? Or upgraded to the latest PN 3.4.5 (or 3.4.4RC) which has it enabled by default? (After adding Berty and fishingfan's improvements from that thread to manage the number of words generated.)

RedGerry wrote
On taking note of the literal image url from coppermine: 123v.com/modules/coppe...t_shed.jpg

Then surely the line Disallow: /modules/ is going to block google indexing the gallery images?

You can change coppermine image location in Admin > Config. I do it routinely for all sites, originally because I never like mixing code and data. 'Course it's easier to do when you first set the site up Smile

I'm currently adding refinements to coppermine part of reDesign3+ for my photo site, so loop me into your progress (here or at my site) and I'll see if I can help any via that.

Also this bug may cause Google issues due to empty pagination pages.

Pro_News CM™ - Content Management for Dragonfly CMS™

Server specs (Server OS / Apache / MySQL / PHP / DragonflyCMS):
Linux / 1.3.39 - 2.4.9 / 5.5.42 - 5.6.16 / 5.4.37 - 5.5.11 / 9.4


Thanks for all these tips and feedback peeps. Have implemented several and am looking at the others

Yes LB your Pro_News deals with the issue well. Its primarily the images I'm trying to pump up as they seem to be the main road in for our potential customers. Will check out your work in progress and keep in touch.

gerry @ redgerry.com
redgerry.com
clacks.co
123v.com
copseygroup.com

Server specs (Server OS / Apache / MySQL / PHP / DragonflyCMS):
Suse11.4 - LAMP on zypper - ISPConfig 3


Worth pointing out that NBBCode adds rel=nofollow to image links, as macavity discovered recently. I guess I'll need to add YAP (Yet Another Parameter) eg [img w=800 h=400 t=title f=1]picture.jog[/img] to my Enhanced NBBCode. But if all your links are internal you could just remove the rel=nofollow bit from the preg_replace in nbbcode.php perhaps for now?

EDIT: Correction! My mistake. nbbcode does not do this for img tags. So not an issue here. (It does however do this for url tags, and when it makes any recognised string, such as a uri, into a clickable link.)

RedGerry wrote
Yes LB your Pro_News deals with the issue well. Its primarily the images I'm trying to pump up as they seem to be the main road in for our potential customers. Will check out your work in progress and keep in touch.


Well if that's so, I'm pleased, but then I have to ask why you have coppermine visible on the user side at all? As explained in CHANGES.txt in the release, Pro_News checks coppermine permissions at article create time, not run time, specifically so that the albums can be set to, say, Admin only viewing, so users only see via Pro_News. (For a different reason, but it'll work for you here.) A Pro_News article with a link to a coppermine album gives you a better, or at least more modern, display, allows you to include text to describe the album, and uses normal img links.

Assuming your focus is 123v.com, there doesn't seem to be many extra articles that you'd need to set up before you could hide all the albums (that I could see). And you would need to figure out a replacement for that center down block. Assuming it's a random selection, there are a few ways that this could be done perhaps. Might need a custom template or block in Pro_News worst case (but best discuss this on my site). Or simply code your own block?

(I realise the above doesn't address the concern about coppermine links per se, but may be the shortest path to resolution of your Google index issue. How exactly do you think your customers are using Google to find you via images? Just curious ...)

Pro_News CM™ - Content Management for Dragonfly CMS™

Server specs (Server OS / Apache / MySQL / PHP / DragonflyCMS):
Linux / 1.3.39 - 2.4.9 / 5.5.42 - 5.6.16 / 5.4.37 - 5.5.11 / 9.4


On the fix coppermine side, try this to get the ability to have different title= and alt= sequences for Google when Keywords have been specified for a coppermine image.

( As released any keywords are added to end of both title and alt strings. )

Around line 150 in modules/coppermine/disp[layimage.php find: if ($CURRENT_PIC_DATA['keywords'] != '') { $pic_title .= KEYWORDS . ": " . $CURRENT_PIC_DATA['keywords']; }
and replace with:
if ($CURRENT_PIC_DATA['keywords'] != '') { $pic_alt = $CURRENT_PIC_DATA['keywords']; } else { $pic_alt = $pic_title; }
then obviously you'll need to change alt="{pic-title}" to alt="{pic-alt}" on lines 172 & 175 or thereabouts.

And while you're in there you may want to change the \n values in the title strings to as supported by later browsers (eg FF12).

You can see this in action here: layingback.net/copperm...pos=3.html along with the other coppermine theme changes I'm working on.

Pro_News CM™ - Content Management for Dragonfly CMS™

Server specs (Server OS / Apache / MySQL / PHP / DragonflyCMS):
Linux / 1.3.39 - 2.4.9 / 5.5.42 - 5.6.16 / 5.4.37 - 5.5.11 / 9.4

All times are UTC


Jump to: