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Posted by DJMaze on (10673 views)
There are a lot of questions why we don't use Internet Explorer and actualy hate the damn thing.

To give some more specific details why click on read more for full details.
PNG and JPEG2000 are image formats with better compression and cool features. IE doesn't support those and for full info about that read here Tabbed browsing, popup blockers, security, etc. are very essential these days due to all ads and malicious websites. IE doesn't have that build in so you need to buy additional software to prevent it. A full list of "can't do" (for example Mozilla vs IE) can be found here Then about Direct-X and Active-X, it's nice you can use those in IE so you update your Windows OS with ease, but.. other people can abuse it by installing malicious software on your computer. Generating a webpage costs the average IE browser about 75% more time and CPU then a other browser. IE doesn't fully support CSS and XHTML which are the new standards to build a webpage. When your OS boots IE is already loaded in memory which causes a more unstable system and can give you more "blue screens of death" If you're convinced already Click here how to remove IE If not, you probably don't wanna learn how a new browser works or just love IE. No hard feelings for that, but don't ask why something doesn't work or looks ugly in IE

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where did you get your information about IE?

no offense, but it's like choosing between ford and chevy...

you don't need tp-software to remove pop-up blocking? IE has built in tools that most people ignore, such as the security features you can customize to allow/deny pop-ups or other active-x/java controls...for instance, the website phpnuke.org has a lot of pop-up ads now, and i was so tired of this so i added their site to my IE's security section to deny active-x/java controls, and NO pop-ups or advertising anymore...:)

IE is more user-friendly in my opinion because even if you don't have knowledge on security features/protocols, you can set it pre-config'ed as "high" "medium" "low" or even "custom" which is quite nice...

i wouldn't bust on IE simply because some people can't use it...and IE is not pre-loaded when windows starts, "explorer" is - which isn't even the web-browser...it's the name of the desktop/gui such as linux's gui is called 'xfree86' or whatever...

plus, old versions of IE aren't able to display certain things because the technology didn't exist - xhtml, css, png, etc...old mozilla/netscape browsers didn't support this either (no old browsers did) - IE 5.1 and UP does....IE 5.0 and lower does not....but who uses those anymore? who uses windows 3.1 anymore? hehehe

anyways, i wasn't impressed with this article because it was more of a stab and a very opinionated versus actual facts - if people don't know, they'll believe anything

i recommend doing some of your own research people at microsoft's website, and on netscape's website, and on kde's website for different browsers and what they can do...

anyone remember neoplanet webbrowser?? : ) it was way ahead of it's time...but again, IE was it's base : )

did you also know IE's technology is "borrowed" ? hehe so i think IE6 is the last version before microsoft has to come up with something new...

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by Anonymous
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XP SP2 has the popup blocker for IE but no other IE has it unless you turn off javascript but then it also turns all cool features.

"IE is not pre-loaded"
Sorry but it is, IE consists of files like dhtml.dll and those are loaded at boot.
I've recompiled a installation disk for Win98 and Win2k without IE and they booted faster then the default CD, so there's definatly something spooky.

"anyways, i wasn't impressed with this article because it was more of a stab and a very opinionated versus actual facts - if people don't know, they'll believe anything"
Isn't a "News article" ment to stab people?
A good article creates a discussion about something, wether it's a gun shoot on school or something about software.

And the facts are there.
I'm a helpdesk in my country so people can call me for support, you don't know the count of people that call me about "help i have strange software" or "something installed itself into IE and i can't get rid of it" or "How do i save attachments in OE"
This means IE makes it hard for people to browse the internet as "default" setup where other browsers think before they act.

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by
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not true, it's not the browser, it's the people who write malicious software to attach itself to it...like yahoo toolbar, etc...but people don't read their user agreements which mostly states these tp-softwares attach to it...etc...

plus a .dll file is hardly an entire program running...pre-loaded

that file allows ms users to use such cool features within windows as the "active desktop" or on the explorer where it displays file contents as a preview, with details on the side there, etc...

pop-up blocker software is just software that turns off a setting in IE browsers...a waste of money...

you can configure your IE browser to allow certain sites to use java/active-x or not...
just look through it, and read it's help menu

plus, IE 6 is the last version on it's technology...ms has to come up with something TOTALLY new and i bet it will outrule everyone else, yet again...

it's ok if you don't like IE, i just don't understand why you don't? because their making money and you're not? lol

you should write your own browser software =))

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by
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I also do support work and the majority of the problems people call about stems from crap that gets installed while using IE. I also help a lot of friends keep their computers running, and you wouldn't believe how many people I have converted over to Firefox and Thunderbird.

The simple fact that Firefox has real pop-up blocking out of the gate, plus it doesn't suffer from all the security holes that IE does. They also all comment that Firefox is faster, more stable, and with tabbed-browsing is much more convient. Then when they start learning about the extensions that are available they forget all about IE.

As for Thunderbird, these people love that the anti-spam filters become very intelligent over time and that they won't have their computer infected by just reading a message.

Of the people who have I switched over to Mozilla-ware, not a single one has switched back to the Microsoft stuff. In fact, they then become advocates for the Mozilla movement and switch their families over.

Firefox and Thunderbird are making gains because they are simply better products, and they aren't even at 1.0 yet. Microsoft has a lot of hard work ahead of them if they plan even starting to compete with these packages.

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by
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Hello,
I can't understand the reason many 'hate' IE, we (almost) all started from IE and most of us still using it.
I'm still using a browser that is using the core of IE, it's called Maxthon (www.maxthon.com) and it has tabbed browsing, option to deny javascript/java/images/sounds etc.
For sure IE has a LOT of bugs but if you think the % of people using IE you can see the reason. For sure other browsers have flaws but because they are not so popular like IE we don't hear most of them.
We can't go against IE since most of the people on the net is using it, we can't build sites than don't work with IE, it's like net-suicide for our site if we do.
I used Firefox 2 for a while but since i learned about Maxthon i don't go on the net without it Wink

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by
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i use Firefox since it got a Tab browser that something IE didn't have. IE not fully support PNG, and it have a lack of support in Web new strandard. IE use Mozilla 4.0 code but lastest Mozilla Product already in Mozilla 5.0. why i know about that, since JavaScript have a codename properties. it show IE used Mozilla.

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by
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The reality is that IE doesn't have to conform to standards, IE is the standard. I use IE, not because I think it's best out there, but because I know that when I create pages and browse sites that I create that if they don't work in IE then over 90% of everyone else isn't going to be able to view them either.

No support for JPEG 2000? Then we can't use it, simple.

Yeah, it's sad, but other than the 3 minutes posting this, I tend to spend time over fixing things I can control since there's no realistic way of controlling this.

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by
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Amazing analysis, and strange conclusion:
CPG is meant to build sites to share information on the www. More than 80 % of internet users use MSIE. So any CMS has to adapt to that fact.

And if CPG-nuke doesn't work or looks ugly in MSIE, it is CPG that should adapt. Because neither MSIE, neither the vast majority of people who use MSIE will adapt to CPG.

If people who use CPG end up with sites that look ugly or don't work for the vast majority of their visitors, they will stop using it. It is so simple as that.

And I would never go for a CMS that would upset a majority of my visitors because it is not adapted to their browser.

This being said, I have never been confronted with CPG-problems linked to MSIE. But if such problems would appear, and if the policy of CPG would be not to take this into account, like you seems to state, I would immediately go back to a CMS that is fully compatible with MSIE.

Because my aim is to make info available to the majority of the www users, and not to promote a CMS whose development would be based on doctrinal views.

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by Anonymous
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CPG-Nuke will work in all browsers cos that's a must.
But that doesn't mean we like it Laughing

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by
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Hahaha...CPG-explorer....it's got a ring to it!

I guess I fit into the category of "I have to support it to author content, but I don't use it personally as my browser of choice.

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by
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yeah, especially since like 90% of this site's visitors is under windows/IE : )

but djmaze, lol ; )

i still like your ruthless opinions...haha

maye you should create the next browser?
CPGexplorer Smile

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by Anonymous
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Yeah maybe someday i will, but CPG-Nuke and MP3 Tunes are eating all my time.

btw did you ever use MP3 Tunes for playing mp3's instead of wmp ?

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by
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IE is LOSING it's place as the standard today. It's using old code, and is not really bringing anything to the table. Mozilla (which is just Netscape gone open source) is going to de-throne Internet Explorer in the coming years (months maybe?), and we will have a new standard. Mozilla isn't anywhere near as static as Internet Explorer. That's a good thing.

Tthe reason that Internet Explorer is so outdated is because for a long time it had no competition. When you have a product that has no competition, that product will suffer, and so will the end-user.

I use Firefox all the time, and I view 95% of the web just fine. That's great coming from a browser that isn't even version 1.0 yet.

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by
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I'm using IE now, but I have Mozilla and Firefox (and Opera and ... oh God.. All of them) but I wouldn't count on MS going away anytime soon. I mean, without IE, Windows won't run.

LOL

Smile

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by
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I will never all this fuss. If you dont like, dont use it.

For me, it is the best and I mean the best browser around.

Dont like popups, use Advanced Browser (uses IE technology).

I have tried Mozilla, its a memory gobler, unstable, unfriendly to change. I have tried Firefox, but Advanced Browser is a lot lot better.

75% extra time?? - use broadband, even on a lowly 256k, it works fine, renders graphics better and things the way I expect them to be, not zigzaged or smaller in sizeas in Firefox.

IE works, the others suck! - My simple conclusion, look at the size of an application and you can tell how secure it is. How many security updates do you get for Firefox and dont say there arnt any security flaws. Anything free doesnt mean it its great.

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by
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IE works, the others suck! - My simple conclusion, look at the size of an application and you can tell how secure it is. How many security updates do you get for Firefox and dont say there arnt any security flaws. Anything free doesnt mean it its great.

There are so many flaws in this reply I had to giggle Laughing

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by
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Well name them.

I have tried all the browsers around and each time I come back to IE.

There are features in Firefox which are quite good but overall IE beats it.

I have Win XP SP2 installed, I have used all the spyware/adware removal possible. The settings for IE are all properly configured.

So now it comes down to tabbing browser. Well I use Advanced Browser which is a tabbed browser.

The whole experience of working in a tabbed browser is so much better.

Use Firefox, you have to first work out how to get the tabbing by fiddling files, let alone start using it. As I say I like Firefox but not enough to give up IE.

If I connect to a secure site (e.g. Bank), I would much rather use IE than Firefox.

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by
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I was referring to

look at the size of an application and you can tell how secure it is

So to bloat means secure? - ok then

How many security updates do you get for Firefox

What ? - do you even know that firefox is CONSTANTLY being updated, with nightly builds & very frequent stable releases. More security updates than you will EVER get with a MS product..

Anything free doesnt mean it its great.

A bad statement in itself - but hmm, judging by this remark you obviously must have paid for IE .... hey WAIT - thats free too Razz

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by
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"nightly builds" = more installations for users.

I dont what your problem is, is it the FACT that I like IE?

If you dont like IE, dont go telling people not to use it and condeming it.

FACT - its the most used and I like it

I dont adore MS but nor do I condem them. I use what I like and I dont tell people not to use Firefox/Mozilla etc.

As for being free - IE comes with Windows which you purchase so it is not free in my book.

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by
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"nightly builds" = more installations for users.
Well no. Nightly builds means more installations for testers. I doubt end users would try nightly builds, but rather the stable release. The point is Mozilla/Firefox is constantly being worked on, something I doubt IE could claim.

I dont what your problem is, is it the FACT that I like IE?
I have no problem with you liking IE. You original reply caught my attention by use of your _simple_ conclusion : IE works, the others suck!

If you dont like IE, dont go telling people not to use it and condeming it.Whoa! Did I say don't use IE? ... use what ever browser you like. I voiced my opinion to your original comment.

FACT - its the most used and I like it
True it is the most used, but this is NOT necessarily down to choice, but rather to indoctrination the good old MS way Wink

I dont adore MS but nor do I condem them. I use what I like and I dont tell people not to use Firefox/Mozilla etc.
As above, I have never, & never will tell someone NOT to use IE, I just like to voice my opinion, especially when someone says the browser I like sucks

As for being free - IE comes with Windows which you purchase so it is not free in my book.
Although Yes, It is intergrated into Windows, Its definatly is free. Can you remember the reason why MS decided to give IE away in the first place? Smile

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by
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> I have tried all the browsers around and each time I come back to IE.

As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly. Twisted Evil

Proverbs 26:11

http://scriptures.lds.org/prov/26/11#11

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by
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Typical attitude of people who go harping on about Mozilla/Firefox etc.

I use a lot of software produced through Sourceforge project, Apache etc. etc. and I do not condem it, I like a lot of it (being a programmer myself).

You like the other bloke dont like someone saying that IE is good, well I do and I find it do what it says and how it says, not phapping around with extensions to Firefox.

If anything there are things in Firefox I like and wish they were in IE (no doubt one day these will appear in IE).

And I HAVE tried all the browsers going, from Konquerer in Linux, Opera, Netscape, Mozilla, Firefox but above all for functionality I still like IE.

You may not like it but that is my choice so keep your quotes for yourself.

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by
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So true! Twisted Evil

I've been using Mozilla for a few years not. Once Firefox 0.8 was released I switched to it. I'm now using 0.9.3 and still loving it. I do have about 5 "MUST HAVE" extensions though:
- Tabbrowser Extensions
- Web Developer
- Go Up
- Download With (normally use LeechGet for large files)
- ieview (for those who use ASP and/or can't create a decent page that follows W3 standards!)

For other sites that must use IE for one reason or another I use Crazy Browser which give me essential tabbed browsing features.

Now go surf like a pro and get Firefox!

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by
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IE have little Support in PNG and No Support in XHTML. IE don't recongize XHTML Mime header then show download prompt. IE CodeName is Mozilla and Version of that Mozilla in IE is 4.0 while Firefox, Netscape, and Mozilla have Mozilla 5.0. wonder why UE use a OLD Mozilla Code. Firefox is more secure than IE because it doesn't Support Active X Control. lots of ppl use Active X Control to give a control of your computer.

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by
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PNG and JPEG2000 are image formats with better compression and cool features.
IE doesn't support those and for full info about that read here


They may be nice, but their importance for the Internet is not really that high - it won't change your web experience. I'm pretty confident that they are coming sooner or later, it's just not top priority. But if you want, you can be happy to have a browser that supports them.

Tabbed browsing, popup blockers, security, etc. are very essential these days due to all ads and malicious websites. IE doesn't have that build in so you need to buy additional software to prevent it.

Tabs would be nice for power users, yes. But that's not enough reason for me to change. I even think meany non-CS users may find tabbed browsing more difficult than managing multiple windows. You may not believe it, but there are quite often large usability studies for those features. Do I have to tell you why this doesn't hold for Mozilla?
As for popup blockers, well that has already been mentioned, it's coming just now with SP2. The reason why it took so long to push this forward is quite simple: Many pages will be affected in their operation, and some users may not be able to locate the problem. (You see, I'm taking other people's views into account too, something I would heaviliy recommend to you as well!)
But the word "security"... what were you thinking when you put this there? There is no security in IE or what? o_O
Sorry but you can't put such a big topic there without saying a further word on it.

Then about Direct-X and Active-X, it's nice you can use those in IE so you update your Windows OS with ease, but.. other people can abuse it by installing malicious software on your computer.

Well DirectX has nothing to do with IE, my guess is you just thought it sounded menacing.
As for ActiveX, the main problem is that most people don't read prompts. They just click yes.
Mozilla also has a feature that can be abused to install malicious software. It's called download. If the same people who always clicked "yes" in IE would used Mozilla, I'm sure they were also able to click "Run" or "Open".
I'm sure if "ActiveX" was called just "plugin" like with Netscape, there wouldn't be half as much discussion.

Generating a webpage costs the average IE browser about 75% more time and CPU then a other browser.

OK I did not do large-scale performance tests, but I often use several browsers in parallel, and I never noticed a difference worth mentioning.
The caching may be a bit slower because they use disk more than RAM, but this is merely an issue for offline browing.

IE doesn't fully support CSS and XHTML which are the new standards to build a webpage.

"Not fully"... that's splitting hairs. It could be much worse! And IE 6 has had many improvements concerning standards compatibility. Anyways, in practice standards in the Internet are not enforced by a consortium, but evolve with applications. Do you known how many standards have been proposed and RFCs have been published which only few know about? XHTML may be a major thing, but that doesn't change how things work. Compared to that, application support is actually quite good.

When your OS boots IE is already loaded in memory which causes a more unstable system and can give you more "blue screens of death"

Of course, as with all core components, such as kernel, shell, file system driver, sound mixer etc.! Any of them can cause blue screens (drivers actually more, because IE is running in user space).
And BTW, it's not full IE that is fired up (many add-on DLLs are not loaded), but rather the core hypertext componenet. And I suppose you'll agree that lots of applications today use hypertext do*****ents (or can be modelled as such, like the task panels in Explorer). Or is it your opinion that a hypertext viewer is not a core component and should be reloaded (or at least rewritten) for all applications?

No hard feelings for that, but don't ask why something doesn't work or looks ugly in IE

I've compared many sites in IE and Firefox, and the differences are always getting smaller.

Overall, I agree with what others have already said: You are free to choose. Choose the browser which you like. It is perfectly ok to tell others about cool features an alternative browser has. IMHO not so cool is to make other software "bad" for no good reason (even if it's from MS). But I really dislike you using the word "hate". You aren't watching any news by chance?

Well that's my comment on it...
(please excuse bad english, i'm not a native speaker)

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by
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When my stats indicate the majority of my users are no longer using IE, then I would welcome a movement to another browser.

I agree with your view to not have to use IE though DJ, isn't freedom a great thing? Very Happy

Many people here have expressed their likes for several different browsers. Our goal should always be to write standard Internet code, whether html, xhtml, or whatever, that will work with any browser out there that adheres to the standards.

Like it or not, IE is the defacto standard at the moment. We can only hope that its reign will end soon. I wouldn't count MicroSloth completely out yet, but it's sure a nice dream isn't it?

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by Anonymous
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A lot of my site features will not work with gecko based browsers. My fading blocks, for instance, which look so nice with IE aren't faded with firefox. I do like many of firefox's tools and features and I agree that it is far more secure, but I cannot build my site to conform to gecko standards when over 96% of my users are browsing with IE. That is why I do not use Gentoo Linux (my preferred OS) when building my website. I use a secured windows XP and IE because I need to view my site the same way my users are viewing it so I know what is working and what isn't. At the moment the fading code is the only code on my site which has proven to be unviewable in Firefox. I love Linux, make no mistake, but I have found that many open source operating systems and applications are simply being coded by too many people with strong (and unreasonable) bias against Microsoft. So unreasonable, in fact, that their users suffer for it. Take my fading block for example. Could the open source programmers build firefox so that it would support all IE code? Sure they can. They simply don't do it because they feel it is beneath them. Well beneath them or not, it is holding them back in the war against windows. I am a security freak so I personally prefer having IPTables defending my machine. Most people, however, do not know, understand, or even care about security. All they care about is that they cannot always watch their favorite movies or play their favorite games in Linux because the OS doesn't support the games and usually winex doesn't either. I can browse to any site on the web with IE, click any media files and view it with no hassles. With mozilla it takes an act of congress to view anything at all and the other 95% is unviewable. Yes, I could probably sit and code my OS for 20 hours and fix some of this but why should I do it if it's developers are too lazy to? The operating system is supposed to work for me...not vice versa. When I browse to areas where I need security I use linux. When I browse secure sites I use XP and IE. My XP scores 9,999,999 with nmap and its sockets are 100% filtered. You simply cannot get more secure than that. XP can be secured, just not by your average bear. http://www.grc.com has many excellent one click tools designed to secure it.

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by Anonymous
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Secured Windows XP: GRC Shields UP test results:

Your system has achieved a perfect "TruStealth" rating. Not a single packet — solicited or otherwise — was received from your system as a result of our security probing tests. Your system ignored and refused to reply to repeated Pings (ICMP Echo Requests). From the standpoint of the passing probes of any hacker, this machine does not exist on the Internet. Some questionable personal security systems expose their users by attempting to "counter-probe the prober", thus revealing themselves. But your system wisely remained silent in every way. Very nice.

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by Anonymous
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👏 I feel the same way as you do, DJ Maze. IE is just not what people today needs.

I was a Microsoft boy and loved IE (because I grew with Microsoft OS PCs) but once I got in High School, all that changed. This year I bought myself a Mac - A beautiful iBook G4 PowerPC. I feel in love with Mac OS X Safari internet browser and everything about it.
Safari is like Mozilla FireFox.

Back to the point, most of the Internet browser are becoming like Fx today. IE is staying behing. I hate the fact that some sites do not display good in EI and there are tons of other problems (as you mentioned) about EI.

Get Mozilla FireFox for more security and faster browsing. It's just much easier! 😄

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